Chapter 329: [The Difficulties Of The Japanese Language]
Chapter 329: [The Difficulties Of The Japanese Language]
<Japanese is really unique! I want to talk about the difficult parts I've noticed… as well as the interesting or strange things I've found!>
<Since we're at it, let's also talk about the differences with English. I got a comment earlier saying, "I want to know about English, too.">
<Yes, please! I'm curious, too!>
However, this language discussion might end up being pretty lengthy.
Well, that's understandable, given that it's three years of Ilyena's life.
<First, let's talk about word order. Ukrainian and English are SVO, but Japanese is SOV, right?>
<That's a classic one.>
≫When I first studied Japanese, I was confused (Ukrainian)
≫Same here. Plus, the word order keeps changing with inversion and all (US)
≫And there's so much omission of the subject, too (US)<Right? I want to say that, but… actually, in Ukrainian, word order changes and subjects are often omitted, too.>
<Oh, really?>
<But, the number of first-person pronouns is really troubling. "Watashi," "Atashi," "Boku," "Ore"—at first, I couldn't tell them apart. Why are there so many?>
<It might be because Japanese pronouns reflect relationships? Just one theory, though.>
<Relationships?>
<For example, when my older sister talks to me, she often refers to herself as "Onee-chan." It might have evolved from that.>
<I see! Now that you mention it, there are also many second-person pronouns like "Anata," "Kimi," "Omae," and "Kisama.">
<That's said to be for the same reason. To differentiate based on the other person's position. Also, ‘politeness inflation' might have played a role.>
<Politeness inflation?>
<Yes. "Omae" and "Kisama" were originally polite terms. Now, they’re almost insults.>
<Is that so!?>
<Yes. But over time, as they were used sarcastically or as more polite terms emerged, the ‘value' of the words declined.>
<I see. Hmm… Being polite isn't a bad thing, but I think people in Japan could speak more casually!>
<Haha, you're right.>
<The different levels of politeness like "Sonkeigo," "Teineigo," and "Kenjougo" are confusing and difficult. I didn't understand them at all at first.>
<Wait, do you always speak in polite language?>
<Ah, no! That's just a habit!>
≫So, Illysha can switch between polite and casual language? Impressive (Ukrainian)
≫She's a Japanese language master (Ukrainian)
≫I'm not at that level yet… I'll study by watching Illysha's stream! (Ukrainian)
<Well then, Ilyena-chan, why don't you try calling me without honorifics?>
<!?!?!? N-no! That would be too much!>
<Come on, just try it. "Iroha.">
<I-Iroha…>
<Yes?>
<…Sama.>
<Didn't work, huh?>
≫Why did you chicken out there!? (Ukrainian)
≫Illysha, that was a big chance! (Ukrainian)
≫A rare invitation from Iroha-chan! (Ukrainian)
<B-but, Iroha-sama is too important to me!>
She turned me down when I suggested casual language before, too.
Just like I have lines I don't cross as a fan, Ilyena probably has her own standards I can't understand.
<But, if you're always polite, you won't offend anyone, and you can use it in both private and business settings. It's good, right? Well, using "sama" is a bit much, though.>
≫I get the polite language, but how do I know which honorifics and pronouns to use? (Character)
≫Just stick with "~san" for honorifics and "watashi" and "anata" for pronouns (Ukrainian)
≫But isn't "watashi" a pronoun women use? (Ukrainian)
<It's true that in private settings, women often use "watashi" and men use "ore." But it's not weird for a man to use "watashi.">
<For basic communication, that should be enough.>
≫That's just how it is (Ukrainian)
≫Japanese is delicate and difficult, with all the polite language, honorifics, and pronouns (Ukrainian)
≫I heard that translating Japanese anime and manga into other languages can be a headache because of this? (Ukrainian)
<Yes. Oh, speaking of manga, Japanese has a lot of onomatopoeia, right? Especially, non-sound-based ones like ‘gitaigo' and ‘gijougo' are rare globally.>
<That's why they're so detailed. There's giongo, giseigo, gitaigo… and then gijougo and giyougo.>
<Giyougo is like "furafura," right?>
<Yes. Gijougo is like "wakuwaku".>
≫In contrast, English barely has any onomatopoeia (Ukrainian)
≫In comics, they just write "SMAAAASH" or "COOOOL" (Ukrainian)
≫There's "BANG" and "BOOM," so not none at all (U.S.)
<Whenever I’m with Iroha-sama, my heart goes dokidoki and I feel melomelo!>
<Yeah, yeah.>
<And, also…>
It seems the stories about the Japanese language are far from over.
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